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The Illegal Immigration/Amnesty Debate

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The Illegal Immigration/Amnesty Debate

Illegal immigration is a hot button issue. This group is for those who would like to to have a discourse on how the United States should deal with this issue.

Members: 36
Latest Activity: 23 hours ago

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Sinuous

Crappy Nappy confirms - Amnesty is on the Table for 2010

Napolitano Affirms Amnesty Legislation is on the Agenda in Early 2010 On Friday, November 13, Janet Napolitano, the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, gave a speech at the Center for A…

Tagged: screwed, CAP, Homeland, Security, we're

Started by Sinuous Nov 17.

Sinuous

Health Care Bill Passes in House w/Illegal Alien Coverage Loophole

House Leadership Sides with Congressional Hispanic Caucus on Health Care Bill, Passes Bill With Illegal Alien Coverage Loophole Last week, the latest House health care bill (H.R. 3962) raised a numbe…

Tagged: congress, FAIR, care, health, alien

Started by Sinuous Nov 10.

Sinuous

Congresswoman Foxx on Illegal Immigrants & the Census 1 Reply

“The greatest source of our security” Common sense solutions to preserve the rule of law By Congresswoman Virginia Foxx With our country’s founding centuries ago, great minds launched a lasting exp…

Started by Sinuous. Last reply by Mark Cain Nov 4.

Sinuous

Flaws Found in Immigration Detention. Are we surprised? 2 Replies

Flaws found in options for immigrant detention By SUSAN CARROLL Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle Oct. 20, 2009, 12:21PM Nearly one in five suspected illegal immigrants who went through an Immigratio…

Tagged: illegal, immigrants, customs, Chronicle, Houston

Started by Sinuous. Last reply by Sinuous Nov 2.

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Conrad C Gabbard Comment by Conrad C Gabbard 23 hours ago
Apparently the Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis, to overextend and bring down Government is still alive and well. What is to follow - a socialist, or Islamic state? One must eventually wonder whether congress is trying to provoke a civil war, or perhaps they believe the oath our military takes, similar to their own, about "all enemies, foreign and domestic" cannot be applied to them, and will be treated with the same disregard they honor their own oaths of office.
Kate Comment by Kate 1 day ago
Rep. Gutierrez Introduces Amnesty Legislation
Call your Representatives and SAY NO to Amnesty!
This week, long-time amnesty advocate Congressman Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) is introducing a massive amnesty bill in the U.S. House of Representatives. According to various news sources, the bill will grant amnesty to the 11-12 million illegal aliens in the U.S.; dramatically increase legal immigration; include the AgJobs amnesty for illegal alien farm workers; and, through the DREAM Act amnesty, authorize in-state college tuition for illegal aliens.

The unveiling of this legislation is considered to be the opening move in the latest battle to enact “comprehensive” immigration reform, one that the White House has promised to support. “Everything’s going very well. Full steam ahead,” Gutierrez said about today’s unveiling of his bill. (Roll Call, Dec. 12, 2009) “We’ve said that this bill will be to immigration what the public option was to health care. It will be progressive, it will be expansive, it will be compassionate and it will be comprehensive.” (Id.)

Battle lines on Capitol Hill are being drawn and we need your help! Please make two phone calls today: one to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (202-225-0100) and the other to your U.S. Representative. Tell them:

Our immigration system is badly broken and you want it fixed.
Illegal aliens and foreign guest workers take jobs from Americans and drive down wages in an economy that is already suffering the worst unemployment in decades.
You want our immigration laws enforced not mass amnesty.
Amnesty violates the rule of law and is fundamentally unfair to those who come legally.
Amnesty will cost taxpayers billions and billions of dollars—a price tag we can’t afford.
Amnesty threatens our national security as it will be impossible Homeland Security to thoroughly check the millions of applications that will swamp government agencies.
Increasing legal immigration—when all new arrivals will need jobs—makes no sense when the nation is suffering record unemployment.
We need to send a forceful message to Capitol Hill TODAY that the American people oppose destructive immigration policies that grant amnesty to illegal aliens and bring in more foreign workers.

Call your Representatives TODAY!
Conrad C Gabbard Comment by Conrad C Gabbard on November 24, 2009 at 4:52pm
I've always labeled British stupidy as due to inbreeding. Have yet to find something to excuse the American-born variety.
Mark Cain Comment by Mark Cain on November 24, 2009 at 4:43pm
Ya, isn't this great. I live in Ma and we will not let this happen! We are ready like alaways!

Mark
Framingham Ma
Sinuous Comment by Sinuous on November 24, 2009 at 4:25pm
Massachusetts Governor Pushes for Driver’s Licenses and Tuition Breaks for Illegal Aliens
Last week Governor Deval Patrick unveiled a state-commissioned report that recommends driver’s licenses and in-state tuition for illegal aliens in Massachusetts. (The Boston Globe, November 17, 2009). The 56-page report, known as the New Americans Agenda, includes 131 recommendations for integrating immigrants into economic and civic life in Massachusetts. (See New Americans Agenda). However, the Agenda is not limited to helping immigrants who cross our borders legally, but specifically advocates for measures that will benefit illegal aliens and undermine our immigration laws.

The Agenda was created by the Governor’s Advisory Council for Refugees and Immigrants, and makes no effort to distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants, who are seemingly all “New Americans.” (See New Americans Agenda). The 131 recommendations include providing more English classes for immigrants and training public school teachers to teach immigration lessons. Daily News Tribune, November 19, 2009). The Agenda also suggests expanding financial aid and in-state tuition at state colleges and universities to all immigrants, regardless of legal status. (See New Americans Agenda). As to the recommendation that illegal aliens should be allowed to obtain driver’s licenses, the authors acknowledge that the federal REAL ID Act is a barrier and advocate for efforts to repeal the statute. (The Boston Globe, November 17, 2009; New Americans Agenda). Despite the hurdle of repealing a federal law, the Agenda adamantly argues that licenses should be given to illegal aliens. There is no suggestion that existing immigration laws be enforced.

The Advisory Council’s proposals have already faced criticism from lawmakers and activists in Massachusetts. Senate Minority Leader Richard Tisei called the report outrageous, and Senator Scott Brown, who is running for U.S. Senate, responded that “Government should strictly enforce the law, not ignore it with a wink and a nod, or even worse, pass laws that condone illegal behavior.” (Boston Herald, November 18, 2009; Daily News Tribune, November 19, 2009). Other opponents to the proposals argue that illegal aliens should not receive the same benefits as legal residents, and many Massachusetts residents remain resistant to granting in-state tuition or driver’s licenses to undocumented residents. (The Boston Globe, November 15, 2009). Although a bill to provide lower tuition rates to illegal aliens failed in 2006, last week Governor Patrick publicly renewed his support for legislation extending in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens. This prompted the state Republican Party to issue a statement criticizing the administration’s position. (Boston Herald, November 17, 2009).

Clearly an advocacy document, the New Americans Agenda urges the state to push for comprehensive immigration reform at the federal level with suggestions more akin to finger-pointing than legislative proposals. The authors allege, “These anti-immigrant voices have created a poisonous atmosphere around the immigration debate and unfortunately have often overwhelmed legitimate public discussion on flow, status and the best way to incorporate newcomers.” (See New Americans Agenda).

Patrick called the report a “values statement” and has not specifically endorsed any of the recommendations. (O Journal, November 20, 2009). Instead, he has given his cabinet 90 days to draft a plan to improve the lives of all immigrants in Massachusetts, who will benefit whether they are lawfully present in this country or not. (The Boston Globe, November 17, 2009).
Conrad C Gabbard Comment by Conrad C Gabbard on November 18, 2009 at 1:01am
Sweet dreams.
Suzanne  Cavalier Comment by Suzanne Cavalier on November 18, 2009 at 12:57am
I had to go to my Tea Party Meeting, and vote for our candidate to endorse. Home Now Night all
Conrad C Gabbard Comment by Conrad C Gabbard on November 18, 2009 at 12:31am
We only lose when we quit, Suzanne - like that guy in NY's 23'd District, before the votes were counted. Did he get an offer he couldn't refuse? When the bad guys are on defense and beginning to panic - which they are, the good guys are on the offensive. We can't directly control our emotions, but we can control how we think and can choose what to dwell upon; that effects those emotoins. It's been called "the power of positive thinking." Try it.
Suzanne  Cavalier Comment by Suzanne Cavalier on November 17, 2009 at 5:27pm
Only When I am Winning, and I do not feel like that in a year, LOL
Conrad C Gabbard Comment by Conrad C Gabbard on November 17, 2009 at 5:17pm
Again, we agree. Ain't life grand????!!!!!
 

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